i Guys, Need a little advice.
My fulvia S2 1.3s was running on 3 cylinders suddenly. I removed plugs, cleaned and checked them and put them back. after this the car wouldn't start a all.
I have checked the timing. (not 180degrees out)
I have checked for spark - Good
I have checked for fuel. No 1 cylinder appeared to be dry.
I have checked wiring 1 3 4 2
I removed carbs, cleaned jets etc etc and replaced all with new rubber gasket.
She still refuses to start. Almost catches up with starter motor but won't catch.
What gives?
Could the timing chain have slipped a tooth or any other suggestions.
The local lancia club gurus were her yesterday and we are all misified
Fulvia 1.3s won't start
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tim
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Do you have compression on all cylinders?
Can you see fuel flowing back on the return line when cranking.
You could have burnt the coil out by leaving ignition on for a long time but you would not get a spark (it happened to me just as I was doing final checks before an MOT - most bizarre - I now carry a spare coil everywhere. You say you have checked the timing? How accurately 8 BTDC??
Also if plugs are old they may not spark under compression although they look good when in free air.
V unlikely cam chain will cause a problem unless it has failed/camshaft sprocket come loose etc but in this case you will have the engine locking up/bending valves etc.
It could just be grotty/old petrol. Try some starting aerosol directly into carb venturi on cranking if the above
Can you see fuel flowing back on the return line when cranking.
You could have burnt the coil out by leaving ignition on for a long time but you would not get a spark (it happened to me just as I was doing final checks before an MOT - most bizarre - I now carry a spare coil everywhere. You say you have checked the timing? How accurately 8 BTDC??
Also if plugs are old they may not spark under compression although they look good when in free air.
V unlikely cam chain will cause a problem unless it has failed/camshaft sprocket come loose etc but in this case you will have the engine locking up/bending valves etc.
It could just be grotty/old petrol. Try some starting aerosol directly into carb venturi on cranking if the above
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Huib Geurink
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
I addition to Tim'sgood points:
Did you test for spark on one lead or on all?
Condensor may have gone partially bad limiting spark energy.
Are the points still ok? And set to 0,45 mm?
My rules of thumb are:
1) if starting becomes a problem on a car running perfectly before: the points are the most likely cause. I do of course make sure all cars I do maintenance on get new condensors regularly.
2) if it mis fires when accelerating, the plugs are bad
Did you test for spark on one lead or on all?
Condensor may have gone partially bad limiting spark energy.
Are the points still ok? And set to 0,45 mm?
My rules of thumb are:
1) if starting becomes a problem on a car running perfectly before: the points are the most likely cause. I do of course make sure all cars I do maintenance on get new condensors regularly.
2) if it mis fires when accelerating, the plugs are bad
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Randy Adams
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Another tedious reminiscence: I recall taking my Fulvia Sport on a lengthy out of town trip. When I got back into town, it was not idling well at all but it got me home from the four hour drive and I just parked it and went to bed. The next morning it would not start at all. When I popped off the distributor cap I found that the points had somehow twisted themselves so that the contacts were not meeting face-to-face. One of the "jaws" had displaced vertically and was simply missing contact with the other "jaw." Problem solved; a crummy set of aftermarket contact breaker points.
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Bart
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Unless you are really sure, a clogged fuel filter seems the most likely cause to me. The difference between just open enough and just too much clogged is quite small. (personal experience...)
Best of luck; this shouldn't be very difficult.
Bart
Best of luck; this shouldn't be very difficult.
Bart
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Phil Laing
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Hi Guys,
thank you everyone.Yes yes yes to everything. However No to checking condensor. Will buy a new one tomorrow and report back.
Yes Bart, I agree this should be simple, but last Saturday I had 2 Lancia Guru's trying to help out. One of these guys owns 3 fulvia's and has restored 14, the other owns a fulvia 1.6hf, a zagato, an Aurelia, a Lambda, a Flaminia convertible, a Thema and a Beta...... and my car has stumped them all. Maybe it's something to do with memory at their age, 82 and 77 respectively
thank you everyone.Yes yes yes to everything. However No to checking condensor. Will buy a new one tomorrow and report back.
Yes Bart, I agree this should be simple, but last Saturday I had 2 Lancia Guru's trying to help out. One of these guys owns 3 fulvia's and has restored 14, the other owns a fulvia 1.6hf, a zagato, an Aurelia, a Lambda, a Flaminia convertible, a Thema and a Beta...... and my car has stumped them all. Maybe it's something to do with memory at their age, 82 and 77 respectively
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P. de R. Leclercq
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
I remember a lovely 1.3, very reluctant to start.
The problem was the plug gaps. 1300s are sensitive to this, more so unbelievably than 1600s. Inspect the plugs and gap them to 0.6mm.
Paul
The problem was the plug gaps. 1300s are sensitive to this, more so unbelievably than 1600s. Inspect the plugs and gap them to 0.6mm.
Paul
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Chasm61
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
This comment is probably irrelevent when discussiong the specific topic of plugs of course, but with regard to "reluctant starting" in general...
My mechanic added an electric auxiliary fuel pump to help gas get from the tank in back to the carbs in front upon starting. It seemed to take A LOT of dry cranking and time to get it to start before. Now I just turn on the ignition, wait 5-10 seconds, and it starts up on a few cranks. Seems MUCH better.
My mechanic added an electric auxiliary fuel pump to help gas get from the tank in back to the carbs in front upon starting. It seemed to take A LOT of dry cranking and time to get it to start before. Now I just turn on the ignition, wait 5-10 seconds, and it starts up on a few cranks. Seems MUCH better.
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P. de R. Leclercq
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Well, normally they are not a problem - certainly for starting. I wouldn't mind betting that there is a little engine oil collected underneath your mechanical fuel pump.
This is very common; the flange of the pump is really not up to the forces it has to withstand and gradually bends away from the push-rod that activates the pump. This causes oil leaks. In severe cases, particularly on 1600s (which demand more fuel of course) owners find performance at high speed limited. I recall one 1600 I fixed that would not do more than 80mph - and this was a modified engine. A new pump cured this. At other times I have trued-up the flange face on a belt sander with satisfactory results.
Paul
This is very common; the flange of the pump is really not up to the forces it has to withstand and gradually bends away from the push-rod that activates the pump. This causes oil leaks. In severe cases, particularly on 1600s (which demand more fuel of course) owners find performance at high speed limited. I recall one 1600 I fixed that would not do more than 80mph - and this was a modified engine. A new pump cured this. At other times I have trued-up the flange face on a belt sander with satisfactory results.
Paul
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Phil
Re: Fulvia 1.3s won't start
Well good news at last.
Eventually got the car started last night, even if it was on only 2 cylinders.
Will work on the carb 1 tonight to see why no fule getting through to pistons 1 and 2.
Still don't know why it wouldn't start before
Reporyt back soon
Eventually got the car started last night, even if it was on only 2 cylinders.
Will work on the carb 1 tonight to see why no fule getting through to pistons 1 and 2.
Still don't know why it wouldn't start before
Reporyt back soon