Thesis 3.0 V6 215 HP

[Dino]

I am ready to by a Lancia Thesis 3.0 V6 215 HP as a successor of my Kappa 2.4 20V 175 HP. Let say that I need second option or suggests of the owners. My major doubt relate to fuel consumption and automatic gear box.
Does it really 20 liters in the city conditions or even more? What about cold start, how much engine need time for warming up to the normal temperature? Does it Emblema pack include everything what it is written in a catalogue (in the serial Emblema option)?
Lancia said that beside oil and filter exchange after each 20.000 km, first service will be at the 100.000 km. It is very similar what I have done with Kappa (each 10.000 km and after 120.000 km or in age more then 36 months have to be done big engine service...). Finally, this engine is a known from the Alfa 164 and Kappa 3.0 V6. What makes difference and how is reliable?

For my cost-benefit analysis I would appreciate very objective information. I hope that will be my 3rd Lancia but this model is much more expensive than was a Kappa as brand new car. Need to say more?

Lancia fun

[jotscha]

My Kappa coupe with automatic gearbox does 14,5 in city conditions.
The older 2,4 Kappa Coupe did 13 with manual gearbox.
When you are an relaxed driver these consumptions should be matchable with a Thesis too -
I think. When taken care of especially the 3,0 should last. Every Alfa repair expert can look
after your 3,0 motor too.
You see (again with the Kappas) more 2,0 Turbo and 2,4 than 3,0 cars with motor breakdowns around
in used car ads and this persumably not only because of their higher production numbers.
For me - in city condions especially - driving with a automatic gearbox (and a 3.0) means lot more pleasure.
And of course when you are driving slower you are giving "the others" more time to look
on your beautiful and rare car from Italy.............and you yourself can put your attention on the
nice V6 sound.
kind regards JK

[mikele]

hello
short track 15 in the city about 8 km
long track in the city 13,5

all around mix in germany 13,5 fast option.
normal as a gentleman in an italian dream car 11 down to
9.8 super 95 oktan.

see to this page http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/thesistreffen/

servus vom

mikele
v6, beta hpe, beta spider--

[maco]

No my tesis 3.o v6 15 liters in city

[arnoldf]

Hi!

I've got 3.0 automatic. In Budapest, Hungary in traffic jam the consumption is 17-22.
I've got 3.0 Alfa 166 automatic also. The consumption is the same in the city.
(Alfa a bit stronger, and 1500kg instead of 1900kg of Thesis...and the gearbox is only 4 level instead of 5 level of Thesis.)

Outside of city the consumption can go down to 8 liter/100km. (If I drive with others... and under relax / Alfa need +2 liter more!)

The average around 11-12 liter/100km. (11.6 on highway @ 2000km @ driving sporty)

What You have to know:
Thesis need more time to heat up since has got:
gearbox oil heater/cooler (use engine cooling water)
engine efficiency is higher
thanks to the camshaft (Alfa's camshaft optimized to higher revs...Thesis camshaft optimzed to more torque at lower revs)
thanks to the more sophisticated engine management. (two or three lambda etc...my 166 has got only 1 lambda)