1.2 HF for sale

[adan figueroa]

I saw the car today, this is 25K restoration project, car need alot work, I estimate body restoration 12 to 14K. Interior to have it like Ed"s Fanalone 4k. Engine ? needs compression test to see if just refresh or complete O/H. but a minimum to refresh including some electrical work needs, 3K, if engine is need, 5K. after adding all the work need it. $23,000.00 in work after the purchase price. it its sad to see a graet car get this far in poor condition since 1.2HF are rare, I personaly would go for 1.3HF. I must said not all was being said in the E-bay discription is correct, alot would be need it, and time to piece all out , it could take 2 to 3 years. Good luck to whom may take this project.

[Ed Levin]

About the canyons here, all I can say is ask Adan Figueroa his opinion. In any case, a 1.3HF has about 10% more power than a 1.2HF for the same weight. But, please, I would never use the term "lesser", even in quotations.

Anyway, to more important matters. The chassis plate, 818.140.1432, is confirmed by the cowl stamp, and the engine is a correct 1.2HF, 818.140.1428--clearly visible once the grime was scraped away.

The body isn't any better than it looks in the photos; there is some bubbling at the front of the RH sill (couldn't examine LH side); some rust at the rear, where it appears to have taken a light hit at some point; some badly-repaired RH front damage, but nothing structural. The damaged original aluminum hood is very repairable. Outside mirror missing, and door handles pitted, but all other exterior trim seems to be there, and all lenses appear to be in decent shape.

Mechanically, it will need to be gone over--lots of deferred maintenance. Engine filthy but said to run fine, except that it was started before the cas tank was cleaned out, so the carbs are now badly silted; we didn't ask to start it given that. New generator. Wiring badly bodged: some new wiring of indeterminate function, and some existing wiring simply cut and tied in knot.

Interior has the original headliner, probably cleanable; very thin glued-down carpet, so no way to verify presence of original mats (but the whole thing seems too thin for them to be there); seats are every bit as 'replaceable' as they look in the photos, but rear bench in decent shape; gauges and controls generally look OK (except gauge faces very cloudy), but no way to verify operation. Some minor interior trim missing, but nothing that can't be found.

Overall an honest, but very tired HF.

[Huib]

I have never been able to compare a 1.2HF and a 1.3HF but I have driven plenty of 1.3 , 1.3S and the standard 1.2 coupe. I am always pleasantly surprised by the rapid acceleration of the 1.2. On the small roads it is perhaps even faster than a 1.3 because of the shorter gears. Usually I find the cars with shorter gears thus smaller engines more fun to drive on the country roads. These are of course slower on the German freeways without speed limit but I fall asleep on freeways anyway.

[Ralph deMasi]

So at the price the seller is looking for there's not even the remotest possibility of looking sane, although sanity was never a prerequisite to Lancia ownership.

[Geoff]

sanity + lancia = lack thereof

[ncundy]

Absolutely: typically an affair of the heart not an affair of the wallet !

I hope it gets saved, and it would be nice if it stayed in the US.

[Huib]

La Lancia e' uno stile di vita

Lancia is a style of life. Says so on the home page of this site.

[Lancia-hf]

Hi, I was informed about this car via a friend and therefor never bothered with the forum. It seemed it stired some interest!
As a 1200HF owner I'm always very much interested in other 1200HFs as they are rare and even rarer to come on the market. It was sold for about $11000 and for that money you have a restorable car wich will be wortth the restauration if you do a lot yourself. Values for concours 12 and 1300HFs are somewere between 20.000 and 25.000 euro which is about 25.000 to 30.000usd. So that leaves about the purchase price for the restauration. The car had a very interesting feature and they were the special wheelspacers made by The Dalfuime brothers of Bologna. verey rare period part. The wheels are widened original steel wheels. Thin glued carpet is original and unique to 1200 and 1300HFs. 1600 had slightly different and more black carpets. The black valve cover is also original. The 1300HF started with the yellow and blue cover. Although nobody minds if you retrofit it to the 1200HF model. The bodypanels of the 1200HF are mostly unique to the HF and normal coupes as it is of thinner gauge steel and without holes for bumpers. 1300HF and 1600HF share the normal coupe body exept for the sill which have no holes for the trim. This prticular car must has it front valance changed during its life as it has bumper bracket holes.
As for the performance. 1200 will never be dragstrip burners. The 1300 has more torque but the 1200engine revs more freely and higher when it has been properly balanced. The so called var 1007 engies had 107din HP while the 1300HFs had 113. Weight for the 1200 must be about 10ks less due to the 1300HF oilcooler with 1 litre of oil and hooses, thicker gauge steel of the 1300HF and the heavier doors. Claimed factory weight is the same at 825kg though which is strange.

[Ed Levin]

The car sold for USD 11,350, and will be heading to its new home in Valparaiso, Chile. I understand that the new owner will be undertaking a full restoration, and I imagine that restoration costs will be substantially lower in Chile than they would be in the US or Europe. It'll take a lot of work to put the car in top condition, but it appeared to be very solid, and seemed a great candidate for restoration.

It's interesting to learn the details of the 1.2HF; I hadn't thought the carpet was original, but it was indeed very thin carpet, similar to a 911RS lightweight. (AFAIK, the 1.6HF had rubber mats rather than carpet, except for the 'lusso' version which did have carpet as well as bumpers and metallic paint; I'm speaking of the S1 cars). There was some evidence of minor (non-structural) front end damage, so it's possible that the car had a relacement front valence, though there wasn't obvious evidence of that.

I wish the new owner the best of luck with it. I'm only sorry that the US has lost a special car.

[Geoff]

Ed -
Are you sure about the rubber mats? I seem to recall thin carpet on a 1.6 HF I had back some 30+ years ago... maybe the memory is shoddy.

Does anyone know the real weights of any of these cars - as in weighed on a scale in the past decade? It would be interesting to know.