Hers's one for you to look at I just found out!
Homologation 3006 papers
see the foto N of the carb on page12
doesnt look like a Solex 42 to me perhaps a weber???
what else is there in 3006 that could be 1016? Perhaps 1016 was homologated as Brian Long says?
Can anyone shed light?
Also the wheels on the car on page 1?
new Variante 1016
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Paul de Raymond Leclercq
Re: new Variante 1016
Just a reminder that the VAR1016 did not have Webers or Dell'Ortos: it had Solex DDHF45s.
They are very rare and expensive.
Paul
They are very rare and expensive.
Paul
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Peter
Re: new Variante 1016
Hi Paul,
You are right about the ddhf45's: they are rare. Even SO rare that I have seen only one set in my life. And they are strange as well. One side is 42mm and the other is 45. If you look at the housing of the 42's, you see that the 4 is casted and the 2 is hammered in, making it 42. And yes it has a 5 instead of a 2 in the case of the 45's. So it might be the same cast.
But looking at the discussion on the 1016 on this forum, I think it is not plausible that 500 fanalones were equiped with 1016's. For sure not with the ddhf45's. I have seen tens and tens of fanalones and have quite a network with fanalone owners in the world. Of these cars only ONE has 45's. It is here in the Netherlands and you would never expect that this car would have them.
So for sure not 500 sets of ddhf45's out there.
You are right about the ddhf45's: they are rare. Even SO rare that I have seen only one set in my life. And they are strange as well. One side is 42mm and the other is 45. If you look at the housing of the 42's, you see that the 4 is casted and the 2 is hammered in, making it 42. And yes it has a 5 instead of a 2 in the case of the 45's. So it might be the same cast.
But looking at the discussion on the 1016 on this forum, I think it is not plausible that 500 fanalones were equiped with 1016's. For sure not with the ddhf45's. I have seen tens and tens of fanalones and have quite a network with fanalone owners in the world. Of these cars only ONE has 45's. It is here in the Netherlands and you would never expect that this car would have them.
So for sure not 500 sets of ddhf45's out there.
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Paul de Raymond Leclercq
Re: new Variante 1016
I know of one car in Norway and I heard of another that is in Australia - and now there's one innn the Netherlands.
So in 24 years of Fulvia stuff I have found three (apart from No 14 of course).
Hmmm, not bad
Paul
So in 24 years of Fulvia stuff I have found three (apart from No 14 of course).
Hmmm, not bad
Paul
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Carlo Hf
Re: Variante 1016
To Carlo Stella
Lancia Club Torino
Variante 1016 - Lancia Fulvia Rallye 1600HF
CYLINDER HEADS ENGINE RALLYE 1600 HF
1)Variante 1016 – Official Racing Team Lancia (Reparto Corse)
Cylinderhead was prepared by “*Lancia Esperienze Meccaniche Dept.” Following particular features requested by Reparto Corse. The final racing preparation was carried out and completed in the R.C: works. It can be easily identified in comparison with all 818540 cylinderheads because of the ESPER-MEC external stamp under the intake manifold and the 1600 HF stamp followed by the no.45 on the exhaust manifold. These extremely rare cylinderheads were built in 1968 and appear on engines of official cars (not in all of them) still around.
These engines were always stamp on flywheel house with the engine number (always a very low number, e.g. 1021 or 1052 etc. and always below 100) and with the stamp “VAR. 1016 or V.1016” – Stamp was materially done by Eng: Gianni Tonti who was in charge of the R.C. racing set up.
N.B. Unlike other HF cylinderheads (1200-1300-1600) the Esper-mec cylinderhead do not show the three numbers stamp in the hole area of the coil ignition insert.
*For “Esoerienze Meccaniche” we intend the special factory shop where all new materials and future Lancia engines were tested.
2)Variante 1016 – Production
For special customers and racing teams, Lancia planned a very limited number of engines at 130 hp instead of usual 115 hp. This power was reached through the SOLEX DD HF 45 crabs (not functioning so well and not reliable because obtained by modifying the 42 which had all sort of problems on its own). Total engine was checked via intervention from camshaft to crankshalt (halfshell and and halfshell conrod) and from valves of greater size to works on cylinderheads.
These engines have on the flywheels house of the gear-box a stamp, that is: 818540 *00……VAR.1016. Therefore it might be possible to find road cars having this kind of engine that were not necessarily used in racing.
3)Cilinder heads – Production series
These cylinderheads are “normal”and represent the third type, the more used. In fact, we are talking about the 1st series cylinderheads having top quality construction features. They are different from the 2nd series for construction date, 1968-69-70 and for special stamp (such as HF 1200 and HF 1300) set in the area of the ignition distributor and the intake manifold. This three numbers stamp pertains for sure to the HF 1st series. It was punched also in the 2nd series at the beginning, then FIAT decided it was not necessary, so a lot of them do not carried it.
4)Cilinder heads - Second series
Similar to the cylinderheads of the first series. The construction material used was different.
Camshaft of normal 1300, rockers not polished, using production valves instead of Livia, Fiat bolts.
5)Cilinder heads – Second series “AS”
Produced by Fiat and used on engines of Sport 1600 and in quite a lot of HF 1600 built towards production end. These heads being the worst ever produced as far as materials and poor accuracy in water flow, etc….
Lancia Club Torino
Variante 1016 - Lancia Fulvia Rallye 1600HF
CYLINDER HEADS ENGINE RALLYE 1600 HF
1)Variante 1016 – Official Racing Team Lancia (Reparto Corse)
Cylinderhead was prepared by “*Lancia Esperienze Meccaniche Dept.” Following particular features requested by Reparto Corse. The final racing preparation was carried out and completed in the R.C: works. It can be easily identified in comparison with all 818540 cylinderheads because of the ESPER-MEC external stamp under the intake manifold and the 1600 HF stamp followed by the no.45 on the exhaust manifold. These extremely rare cylinderheads were built in 1968 and appear on engines of official cars (not in all of them) still around.
These engines were always stamp on flywheel house with the engine number (always a very low number, e.g. 1021 or 1052 etc. and always below 100) and with the stamp “VAR. 1016 or V.1016” – Stamp was materially done by Eng: Gianni Tonti who was in charge of the R.C. racing set up.
N.B. Unlike other HF cylinderheads (1200-1300-1600) the Esper-mec cylinderhead do not show the three numbers stamp in the hole area of the coil ignition insert.
*For “Esoerienze Meccaniche” we intend the special factory shop where all new materials and future Lancia engines were tested.
2)Variante 1016 – Production
For special customers and racing teams, Lancia planned a very limited number of engines at 130 hp instead of usual 115 hp. This power was reached through the SOLEX DD HF 45 crabs (not functioning so well and not reliable because obtained by modifying the 42 which had all sort of problems on its own). Total engine was checked via intervention from camshaft to crankshalt (halfshell and and halfshell conrod) and from valves of greater size to works on cylinderheads.
These engines have on the flywheels house of the gear-box a stamp, that is: 818540 *00……VAR.1016. Therefore it might be possible to find road cars having this kind of engine that were not necessarily used in racing.
3)Cilinder heads – Production series
These cylinderheads are “normal”and represent the third type, the more used. In fact, we are talking about the 1st series cylinderheads having top quality construction features. They are different from the 2nd series for construction date, 1968-69-70 and for special stamp (such as HF 1200 and HF 1300) set in the area of the ignition distributor and the intake manifold. This three numbers stamp pertains for sure to the HF 1st series. It was punched also in the 2nd series at the beginning, then FIAT decided it was not necessary, so a lot of them do not carried it.
4)Cilinder heads - Second series
Similar to the cylinderheads of the first series. The construction material used was different.
Camshaft of normal 1300, rockers not polished, using production valves instead of Livia, Fiat bolts.
5)Cilinder heads – Second series “AS”
Produced by Fiat and used on engines of Sport 1600 and in quite a lot of HF 1600 built towards production end. These heads being the worst ever produced as far as materials and poor accuracy in water flow, etc….
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Peter
Re: Variante 1016
Fantastic info Carlo!!! Thanks! I think it ends most of the discussions about people THINKING they have a 1016 engine. It is possible to have one, but then your car was order by "special customers and racing teams". For sure not the 500 pieces that we talked about earlier.
I will buy the dutch fanalone with the 45's then.....
Peter
I will buy the dutch fanalone with the 45's then.....
Peter
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Paul de R. Leclercq
Re: norway
Hello.
I don't know about this.
I recall the owner saying that he had had the car since the 1970s.
And thanks to Carlo for his elaborate summary of 1600 lore.
One point about this: he says "... cams same as 1300" I don't know what this means as all 1600s from late Fanalone onwards had the same camshafts officially - i.e. 1300S camshafts with timing of 28/66/66/28 and 2.2mm lift at TDC. I have sen a reference in a works book to camshafts timed at 23/71/71/23 with 1.8mm lift at TDC and also 24/72/72/24 timing which is interesting as the later claims 2° additional duration compared with the normal type.
Paul
I don't know about this.
I recall the owner saying that he had had the car since the 1970s.
And thanks to Carlo for his elaborate summary of 1600 lore.
One point about this: he says "... cams same as 1300" I don't know what this means as all 1600s from late Fanalone onwards had the same camshafts officially - i.e. 1300S camshafts with timing of 28/66/66/28 and 2.2mm lift at TDC. I have sen a reference in a works book to camshafts timed at 23/71/71/23 with 1.8mm lift at TDC and also 24/72/72/24 timing which is interesting as the later claims 2° additional duration compared with the normal type.
Paul
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Paul de R. Leclercq
Re: Variante 1016
Thanks Carlo;
I hope that your cars are in good health and all is well?
The Lucas iniezione still works!
Best wishes
Paul
I hope that your cars are in good health and all is well?
The Lucas iniezione still works!
Best wishes
Paul
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Gustaf Drake
Re: norway
Paul!
Do you think about my car when you talk about a Fanalone var 1016 in Norway. As far as I know mine is the only one in Scandinavia. I know about an other Fanalone in Sweden but it has not the var 1016 engine.
Engine on my car is stamped var 1016 on the flywheel flange and the engine no itself is 818.540.001016. Carbs are Solex DDHF 42. I have never seen 45ers.
The car has been in Sweden since may 1970, I have owned it since january 1975. 1st owner had a contract with Jolly Club and drove a couple of rallies and hillclimbs in Sweden 1970, Polish Rally 1970 (9 th) and finished off with Swedish Rally 1971 (dnf).
Engine has been overhauled recently and is now running beautefully.
Bers regards
Gustaf Drake.
Do you think about my car when you talk about a Fanalone var 1016 in Norway. As far as I know mine is the only one in Scandinavia. I know about an other Fanalone in Sweden but it has not the var 1016 engine.
Engine on my car is stamped var 1016 on the flywheel flange and the engine no itself is 818.540.001016. Carbs are Solex DDHF 42. I have never seen 45ers.
The car has been in Sweden since may 1970, I have owned it since january 1975. 1st owner had a contract with Jolly Club and drove a couple of rallies and hillclimbs in Sweden 1970, Polish Rally 1970 (9 th) and finished off with Swedish Rally 1971 (dnf).
Engine has been overhauled recently and is now running beautefully.
Bers regards
Gustaf Drake.