Hello everybody, I have just bought a RHD 1963 Flaminia GT chassis no. 824.11.3784. It is currently fitted with engine no. 823.10 13767 but this is not the original engine. I do not even know if it is a 2.5 or a 2.8 - does anyone know how I can tell? It has triple Weber carbs. The registration no. is currently GSL 687 but it used to be 17 FLC.
I bought it from David Clarke of Edinburgh who bought it from Richard Thorne in 2002. The previous owner was Mark Bennet of Bishops Stortford. Does anyone know any more about the history of this car?
All inforamtion gratefully received.
Thanks
James
Flaminia GT history
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Randy Adams
Re: Flaminia GT history
Hello James:
Congratulations on your wonderful choice of car. The 824.11 (rhd) is VERY rare indeed.
Are you sure that your engine is not original? The difference between the chassis number and the engine number should not give you pause. The GT with triple Weber 2.5 engine carries a chassis number with the prefix of 824.10 (or 824.11 in the case of the rare rhd cars). The triple Weber 2.5 engine itself carries an engine number with the prefix of 823.10. So the difference between the prefix on your chassis and your engine is normal. The specific engine number and chassis number (13767--are you sure that first "1" is there? it would normally be 3767--and 3784 respectively) are often slightly divergent because the so-called 3C engine went into several different cars and not only the GT.
If you had a 2.8 chassis or engine, the prefix would begin with "826." Your car is a 2.5.
Congratulations on your wonderful choice of car. The 824.11 (rhd) is VERY rare indeed.
Are you sure that your engine is not original? The difference between the chassis number and the engine number should not give you pause. The GT with triple Weber 2.5 engine carries a chassis number with the prefix of 824.10 (or 824.11 in the case of the rare rhd cars). The triple Weber 2.5 engine itself carries an engine number with the prefix of 823.10. So the difference between the prefix on your chassis and your engine is normal. The specific engine number and chassis number (13767--are you sure that first "1" is there? it would normally be 3767--and 3784 respectively) are often slightly divergent because the so-called 3C engine went into several different cars and not only the GT.
If you had a 2.8 chassis or engine, the prefix would begin with "826." Your car is a 2.5.
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James Dennison
Re: Flaminia GT history
Thanks for your reply Randy. I'm pretty sure the engine is not original. There is a note in the history saying the car started out as a 2.5, was later fitted with a 2.8 and then had a 2.5 taken from a single carb saloon. The engine number definitely has a "1" prefix - i.e. 13767. The body number is 8731.
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George
Re: Flaminia GT history
Hello James:
As far as I know only 10 Flaminia GT were produced with RHD, and who knows how many have survived? Enjoy this jewel of a car and congratulations to your acquisition!
While I cannot help you with the individual history of your car I am sure it is fully correct what Randy has written: Your car must have been produced as a GT 2,5 lt. 3C model (i.e. with 3 Weber carbs), as evidenced by the chassis no. starting with 824.11.
The engine no. could (or could not) be original for this car, my early 3C Convertibile has engine no. 823.10-13223 which I know is the original. I have just parted with a GT 2,5 3C (in need of complete restoration - I would surely not have had the time to deal with that in the next 20 years!). Her chassis no. is 824.10.3459 and according to Lancia records had the engine no. 13618 (unfortunately the car didn't have this or another 3C-engine when I got it). This data is more or less consistent with your own numbers. See also the posting by Davide in the Italian Flaminia forum on a car he has found in the Trieste area (even if you do not read Italian, the numbers are self-explanatory). My impression is that you do have the original engine - surely it is not an engine from a Berlina.
Checking the number and gearing ratio stamped on your gearbox may give you additional confirmation: the numbers are found on the left hand side of the gearbox on a small plate. A 2,5 3C car should have a gearbox with a 824.10 prefix and a ratio of 13 * 47.
If you want to find out how your car left the factory you should write to the Fiat Archivio Storico, they can give you information starting from chassis and engine numbers but also original colours. I have done so quite a few years ago; I believe other participants to this forum have made an inquiry more recently and may provide up-to-date info on the procedure.
Best regards, George
As far as I know only 10 Flaminia GT were produced with RHD, and who knows how many have survived? Enjoy this jewel of a car and congratulations to your acquisition!
While I cannot help you with the individual history of your car I am sure it is fully correct what Randy has written: Your car must have been produced as a GT 2,5 lt. 3C model (i.e. with 3 Weber carbs), as evidenced by the chassis no. starting with 824.11.
The engine no. could (or could not) be original for this car, my early 3C Convertibile has engine no. 823.10-13223 which I know is the original. I have just parted with a GT 2,5 3C (in need of complete restoration - I would surely not have had the time to deal with that in the next 20 years!). Her chassis no. is 824.10.3459 and according to Lancia records had the engine no. 13618 (unfortunately the car didn't have this or another 3C-engine when I got it). This data is more or less consistent with your own numbers. See also the posting by Davide in the Italian Flaminia forum on a car he has found in the Trieste area (even if you do not read Italian, the numbers are self-explanatory). My impression is that you do have the original engine - surely it is not an engine from a Berlina.
Checking the number and gearing ratio stamped on your gearbox may give you additional confirmation: the numbers are found on the left hand side of the gearbox on a small plate. A 2,5 3C car should have a gearbox with a 824.10 prefix and a ratio of 13 * 47.
If you want to find out how your car left the factory you should write to the Fiat Archivio Storico, they can give you information starting from chassis and engine numbers but also original colours. I have done so quite a few years ago; I believe other participants to this forum have made an inquiry more recently and may provide up-to-date info on the procedure.
Best regards, George