The old Lancia Plant in Torino (Borgo San Paolo) is going to be destroyed.
Up to now it used also to host the Lancia Museum. Now, the cars will be put in a humid and lonely fiat building....without any care.
Once, in that place, they were made Lambda,...Aprilia,...Flaminia,...Gamma and at last Thema Ferrari.
IT IS A SCANDAL, even Skoda has got a nice museum in its historical centre.
I wrote my complain to someone in "lancia" (silvana.vico@lancia.com) and didn't get any comment...
So the last link with the old true Lancia story is ended and I'M SO UPSET.
Greetings from this Italy, Giuseppe
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Randy Adams
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Wow. This is depressing news Giuseppe. I've never seen the Lancia Museum. And now I guess I won't.
The cars should go to the Biscaretti Museum or somewhere like that.
I didn't know that Borgo San Paolo was still used to produce any cars after the Flaminia. That's very interesting.
The cars should go to the Biscaretti Museum or somewhere like that.
I didn't know that Borgo San Paolo was still used to produce any cars after the Flaminia. That's very interesting.
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Gamma is in Goat
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Maybe they will sell them to other Ital-automobile-museums ?
does Fiat not have a museum ?
maybe very few people were visiting & it made no sense to keep opened ?
especially since there was no production there any longer !
how do we know which Lancia are there now ?
and until when it can be visited ?
perhaps some Lancia Clubs would be interested in organizing a goodbye tour !
does Fiat not have a museum ?
maybe very few people were visiting & it made no sense to keep opened ?
especially since there was no production there any longer !
how do we know which Lancia are there now ?
and until when it can be visited ?
perhaps some Lancia Clubs would be interested in organizing a goodbye tour !
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giuseppe
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I knew about Lancia Museum last year reading the italian Viva Lancia Forum.
So I went to there last september.
The experience was amazing, infact I saw almost all the Lancia from Alpha to Thesis; but the most fantastic thing for me was to walk inside that building (the entrance was free, just needed an appointment).
I am afraid for you, but I think it's too late to go there.
I wonder what is the rule of the italian Lancia Club (is it not interested about these cars??!!) and why the national network dose not spend a phrase for this "killing act". Only "Ruoteclassiche" has written a poor page.
As usual, fiat shows its rude behaviour (Gianni Lancia, who is still alive in France, should now say all the bad business knows about fiat - I read about this in a forum, so I do not have unfortunately more information).
Giuseppe
So I went to there last september.
The experience was amazing, infact I saw almost all the Lancia from Alpha to Thesis; but the most fantastic thing for me was to walk inside that building (the entrance was free, just needed an appointment).
I am afraid for you, but I think it's too late to go there.
I wonder what is the rule of the italian Lancia Club (is it not interested about these cars??!!) and why the national network dose not spend a phrase for this "killing act". Only "Ruoteclassiche" has written a poor page.
As usual, fiat shows its rude behaviour (Gianni Lancia, who is still alive in France, should now say all the bad business knows about fiat - I read about this in a forum, so I do not have unfortunately more information).
Giuseppe
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Geoffrey Goldberg
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I was able to visit the plant in the spring of 2007. Photos can be seen at:
http://geoffreyg.smugmug.com/gallery/2696960
The cars there were amazing - too many to understand. The obvious ones were the entire race car grouping, from Alpha through the D's, and then the more current ones.... but really of interest were the early history items.
The Aprilia fuel injected prototype, the two V12 engines (1918, 1919 approx), the Lynx (4 w IRS, c. 1942), the Trikappa with the cast alum firewall and V8.....the Quattroruote Appia (100,000 miles).
There are shots of three different older plants - the cars were in the old production facility at Lancia, where the Aurelias were made. There is nearby the plant entry at the corner (no longer Lancia) and behind that were some old factory buildings that were being torn down. Also, down the street was the yet older Lancia building (with the name on the front), where I was told the Lancia family lived across the street. I must confess to some confusion as to which building was used for what, and which ones were in peril. In this shot of the courtyard (http://geoffreyg.smugmug.com/gallery/2696960#142840907) the building in the distance and to the left of center was being torn down while I was there. I was told it was one of the oldest buildings on the site, possibly the Ceirano (?) works, before it became part of Lancia. This last bit of information is only vaguely recalled - can anyone confirm?
More overwhelming was the remodelling of the nearby old Lancia high-rise - it had been sold off from Fiat/Lancia and was remodelled by a telecom group. It doesn't have nearly the beauty or the magic it once had....when originally designed by Rosani (Sr.) while at Lancia in the 1950's. This was a rather remarkable building and is now just a ghost of its former self.
The whole group of buildings/factories is sadly mis-understood by Fiat, and by the architectural culture as a whole. Industrial buildings are sadly in peril everywhere, and in general, are lost.. Very sad to see, but at least they have been with us for some time.
http://geoffreyg.smugmug.com/gallery/2696960
The cars there were amazing - too many to understand. The obvious ones were the entire race car grouping, from Alpha through the D's, and then the more current ones.... but really of interest were the early history items.
The Aprilia fuel injected prototype, the two V12 engines (1918, 1919 approx), the Lynx (4 w IRS, c. 1942), the Trikappa with the cast alum firewall and V8.....the Quattroruote Appia (100,000 miles).
There are shots of three different older plants - the cars were in the old production facility at Lancia, where the Aurelias were made. There is nearby the plant entry at the corner (no longer Lancia) and behind that were some old factory buildings that were being torn down. Also, down the street was the yet older Lancia building (with the name on the front), where I was told the Lancia family lived across the street. I must confess to some confusion as to which building was used for what, and which ones were in peril. In this shot of the courtyard (http://geoffreyg.smugmug.com/gallery/2696960#142840907) the building in the distance and to the left of center was being torn down while I was there. I was told it was one of the oldest buildings on the site, possibly the Ceirano (?) works, before it became part of Lancia. This last bit of information is only vaguely recalled - can anyone confirm?
More overwhelming was the remodelling of the nearby old Lancia high-rise - it had been sold off from Fiat/Lancia and was remodelled by a telecom group. It doesn't have nearly the beauty or the magic it once had....when originally designed by Rosani (Sr.) while at Lancia in the 1950's. This was a rather remarkable building and is now just a ghost of its former self.
The whole group of buildings/factories is sadly mis-understood by Fiat, and by the architectural culture as a whole. Industrial buildings are sadly in peril everywhere, and in general, are lost.. Very sad to see, but at least they have been with us for some time.
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Delta95
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Hello
I am so angry about this!!! At first Protello (Alfa Romeo) and know LANCIA...;-(
I found a text, if it is possible for you, please translate this in English
best regards
Albert from Austria
I am so angry about this!!! At first Protello (Alfa Romeo) and know LANCIA...;-(
I found a text, if it is possible for you, please translate this in English
best regards
Albert from Austria
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Delta95
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or
http://www.autotematic.it/forum/viewtop ... 20582f18af
Delta95 wrote:
not PROTELLO, it´s PORTELLO. Sorry
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Philip
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it is sad that the cars are being moved and that the property is being redeveloped; I very much doubt that Fiat would be so stupid as to dissolve such a beautiful collection and not nurture it and capitalise on it. To be honest, the manner in which they were displayed and kept up to now was not worthy of the mark but then one could have spent some money to do it properly. They are going somewhere in Rivalta apparently...wasn't that a Fiat plant? Hopefully its dry.
p.s. I travelled to the UK from Switzerland last week...other than a Delta II in France, the only Lancia I saw on the entire trip was a British registered Kappa (sand metallic), on Tuesday the 23rd in central Bristol...brave person and obvioulsy a Lancia fan!
p.s. I travelled to the UK from Switzerland last week...other than a Delta II in France, the only Lancia I saw on the entire trip was a British registered Kappa (sand metallic), on Tuesday the 23rd in central Bristol...brave person and obvioulsy a Lancia fan!
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Francisco Javier Gonzalez
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I saw Borgo San Paolo's Stabilimenti Lancia past August. I asked to visit the museum, and call to Dott. Enrico Masala to make a visit. He was very kind, but the visit was impossible: the collection is closed since past July.
I wrote a little letter in the Spanish forum.
Very, very sad.
I wrote a little letter in the Spanish forum.
Very, very sad.
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Ralph de Masi
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It seems that by this past Christmas the destruction of this building was pretty much secure.
I don't know what sources the columnist was basing his writings on but he said the structure at Rivalta, in which the cars will be stored, is a campanone. This is a warehouse which he further describes as having but corrugated walls and no climate control. He says that for some of the cars this could be a one way ticket. Not sure what he meant by that. At the moment the local independent Lancia Club seems powerless (entirely understandable and not a condemnation on my part) to change the situation.
In closing the article states that a local group which details the workers movement and their history in the Torino area would be interested in receiving small items, momentos which reflect or demonstrate the workers life vis a vis Lancia history. Mere flotsam compared to all that Lancia has designed and produced.(my opinion and not the columnists)
If I understood it correctly the article mentioned the possiblity of a museum containing an historical mixture of Lancia, Alfa Romeo and Fiat.
To the victor the spoils.
I don't know what sources the columnist was basing his writings on but he said the structure at Rivalta, in which the cars will be stored, is a campanone. This is a warehouse which he further describes as having but corrugated walls and no climate control. He says that for some of the cars this could be a one way ticket. Not sure what he meant by that. At the moment the local independent Lancia Club seems powerless (entirely understandable and not a condemnation on my part) to change the situation.
In closing the article states that a local group which details the workers movement and their history in the Torino area would be interested in receiving small items, momentos which reflect or demonstrate the workers life vis a vis Lancia history. Mere flotsam compared to all that Lancia has designed and produced.(my opinion and not the columnists)
If I understood it correctly the article mentioned the possiblity of a museum containing an historical mixture of Lancia, Alfa Romeo and Fiat.
To the victor the spoils.