Fulvia in WRC Germany

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Peter de Wit
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Fulvia in WRC Germany

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I have built 4 Fulvia 1600s to rally with. Always enjoyed it. Started with navigational rallies which ran into the mountains of France, Switzerland and the hills of Belgium. Never really enjoyed the straights here in Holland. In between 2liter Alfas and BWM's it proved that a Fulvia is much quicker on twisty roads. Even with 50 or so bhp less. I was never ashamed to go flat out in it. Used to engines with large carburettors (45s) which like to be revved. 7500revs/min is no problem with high compression and aggressive cams if you balance your crank/clutch/rods and upgrade your valve gear (substantially).

Later went into special stage rallies (closed roads). And maybe enjoyed that even more. Worked a lot on suspension on the first outings. Road holding is already fantastic if you just renew all the parts that wear. Braking is fabulous (upgraded alwyas front brakes to Girling brakes). But you need fresh discs, race type blocks and special (and fresh!) brake fluid to do longer stages downhill. You realize a A110 is somewhat lighter than our cars (passed me quite frequently...). I collect (and drive) rally cars. If you look at the brakes in the group B era you will find that AP 4 piston brakes are the norm (up to Audi Quattro's). Our Girlings are as good. By coincidence you have to detach the caliper to change blocks with these as well. Even the cars from the most expensive period (early group A early 1990s) still use 4pot brakes. Sure, ours are iron and later on they were alloy and magnesium, but still the concept is identical. I enjoy those!

Last week there was a 7 day event called the WRC rallye of Germany. Around the Mosel river. Modern cars are fighting for the world championship and 40 classic cars run for fun in between. Timing is forbidden by the FIA because of the power (and dangerously light) group B cars. So on paper it is for fun. I guess most people drive on tracks now and then and you see quite some marshals. For an event like this 2000 people are used by the organisation and 100s of policemen are there. Every stage (10 in total) has fire trucks and ambulances every 2 km or so. Anyway, no way this could be organised for classic cars. So piggy backing with the 'real men' is a unique opportunity. Historic rallying happens all over the world, but this is quite special. Stages are 20km on average with one being 48km. The organisation behind the classic cars has a great offering. They will come with as many as allowed cars that are a mix of cars that were used from the gr2/4/B/early A period. But they are presented as they were back then. No green Opel GTEs! My first car for this was a replica of Munari's number 14 (logical start) and my latest now is a replica of an Acropolis car. Correct in every detail. Do you have a stratos, fine, but it can only compete as it was back then. There were two out there this weekend. And there were quite some gravel sections in it.

Enough for the talk. Below some pics to give the atmosphere! I have only used pictures that I have permission for. A lot of photographers would not allow me to share theirs. But there is only one way to corner a Fulvia on hairpins and that is by the handbrake. That is hydraulic now, but still very period.

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A lot of technical tips come to mind. Not that that is interesting. But I notice you can see the carbs (at least the airhorns) on the engine in one of the pics. I have always ditched the 42mms and went for Dellorto's. Left me with 4 sets of solexes so thought I better start using them. And I guess it is the same with 1.3s. If you take off the stock air box it will loose power and will not run as smooth. I use proper horns on this one and the effect was even worse. Solved it now. You DO have to rejet it. But the effect is quite good. I guess this is my last Fulvia build. If anybody is interested in these 42mm carbs, 1600engines, short gearboxes etc let me know.
ekranoplan
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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Fantastic stuff Peter! Quite some suspension travel there! Just fitted new radiator, header tank and oil cooler.

Alas oil cooler not working at moment but I just checked qty and it was only 4.5 ltrs in fanalone sump!

Maybe an air lock somewhere?
Peter de Wit
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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Never measured the amount of oil in the pipes and cooler. Would not expect it to be a lot though.

Thanks for the remarks. Suspension on a Fulvia is fascinating! It is very progressive. But a jump with two heavy guys, 80liter tank some spare parts and full tools kit is not something small. Even the bump stops suffered....
Ed Levin
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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Peter,

Absolutely fantastic stuff! Thanks.
fulvia a.i.
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peter,

vry Xctng reading; great photos.

2 heavy guys ? well, I am light, so maybe* I would be faster & cause less damage to your lovely Greek Fulvia. J Jr is light, so I can bring a free-co-driver too**

(*probably not) (** all you'll have to teach us "ist alles"; how & where to brake (not break); handbrake turns etc, roadbook reading etc use

do you have more than 1 Fulvy now ?

I noticed that some other cars/teams have sponsor stickers; are they actually sponsored by some company(s) or are the stickers historical-stickers ?

nice looking seats ! what are they ?

are you losing a fender-flare in picture 5 ? If so, I hope you recovered it

photos of other Fulvia you have built, bitte....mehr mehr mehr...

does your car have a "Strassen-Zulassung" ?

MfG, Johnny48, aka Gamma a.i. / Fulvia a.i. aus good Old Heidelberg
Peter de Wit
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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fulvia a.i. Wrote:
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> peter,
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> vry Xctng reading; great photos.
>
> 2 heavy guys ? well, I am light, so maybe* I
> would be faster & cause less damage to your lovely
> Greek Fulvia. J Jr is light, so I can bring a
> free-co-driver too**
>
I am normally quite relaxed when it comes to letting others drive..... You would be surprised...

> (*probably not) (** all you'll have to teach us
> "ist alles"; how & where to brake (not break);
> handbrake turns etc, roadbook reading etc use
>
In Germany there is a fantastic initiative: Classic rally cars can run after the cars in regional rallyes. But then as a regularity. But only timed at the finish. Meaning, you drive flat out on closed roads and at the finish you stop to clock in at the calculated time. I am fortunate to do international rallyes, but this would really be the best place to start. You get the experience of driving, but also to understand the whole show of a rally with reconnaissance (recce), writing notes, and then the difficult logistics around the rallye.


> do you have more than 1 Fulvy now ?

No left with 1. Sold a 2nd series HF to Germany a month ago. Is going to be a rally car there....
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> I noticed that some other cars/teams have sponsor
> stickers; are they actually sponsored by some
> company(s) or are the stickers historical-stickers

Sponsors not allowed. Only by the organisation (ADAC for instance). The stickers are the period livery. Pirelli in the Fulvia's case.

> ?
>
> nice looking seats ! what are they ?

These are 20year old replica's of Fusinas. Those were used by the works teams. The current replica's are under all kind of names. BF torino being the most official one. If you look at bielstein website, you must find them.
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> are you losing a fender-flare in picture 5 ? If
> so, I hope you recovered it
A standard problem. On most rallyes I have hit something with the front fender. I will post pics of a previous car in action and you might see it there as well. In this rally I managed to repair with tape. Now it is being repaired properly.

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> photos of other Fulvia you have built,
> bitte....mehr mehr mehr...
>
Yep, will post pics of another of my projects below. I rallied this in 2004/5/6. Both navigational rallyes and speed events. 14000kms. Stripped/inspected and rebuilt the engine prior to the sale and still in its standard sizes. Where used pretty hard! That car was also a 1600 based on a normal S1 body. But with all correct parts. Rebuilding a fanalone would have been cheaper back then, but I needed a pre-69 registration for our main Dutch event. That is why I went the route of creating fanalones out of standard S1 cars since the fanalone I wanted to buy was from 70. Learned a lot over the years of how to build a balanced Fulvia. And feel I made the last step with this last event. Found the right tyres for the car. And also now the right shocks.




> does your car have a "Strassen-Zulassung" ?

Yes. That is required, since you drive up to 40km between the stages. And that is over open road.
>
> MfG, Johnny48, aka Gamma a.i. / Fulvia a.i. aus
> good Old Heidelberg

Other car:
Note different heights and tyres.

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Bart Verbeek
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Holy Moly,

This is some real fun-stuff you have over there Peter. Post us some more of that car-p0rn. :D


I used to drive my red-brick at regularities in B and NL:

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fulvia a.i.
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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I had to look a few times before I discovered a 1/2 flareless rf fender...with a hungry Ascona catching up in foto 2 ?

the flat flounder GT parked under the Penny Sign...that ain't no Ren Alpine that will pass you later, it looks fiberglassy, perhaps familiar ? (hmm); maybe not) & looks not like a real "ralley car";

& I don't recognize a Rene Bonnet / Matra...nor is it a Ligier, I thought maybe a Marcos, but I now think not; is one of very few built Monica (Fr) or Monte Carlo that was to be built (I read) in Monte Carlo with the blessing of Albert ?

Ooops, I think the Monica look luxus & looked somewhat 'Lotus-Like" so now I am really in a fog

I give up ? ;)
Ed Levin
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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No? Sure looks like a Ligier JS-2 to me.


fulvia a.i. Wrote:
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> the flat flounder GT parked under the Penny
> Sign...that ain't no Ren Alpine that will pass you
> later, it looks fiberglassy, familiar ? (hmm);
> maybe not)& definately looks not like a real
> "ralley car"; ...nor is it a Ligier,
fulvia a.i.
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Re: Fulvia in WRC Germany

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oh, I get to edit this after being informed that it is a Jide ? a what ?

I couldn'd find a front foto of a L'ger non-formula car; EVEN IF I DID I WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN A JIDE FACE!

I googled Jide & discovered that the Jide Company made a # of different models; but not many (I assume) landed on my side of the Rhein-Riva.

note...it has German street-plates :) amazing ! how did it get "homalugated" ? which is, in DE, often oh so difficult even for series-cars that have even the smallest mod's.

Peter, what event was / where was this ?
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