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Non è che sono i peggiori dal punto di vista della qualità (bisogna essere onesti) ma sono i più estranei ...

Questo si', estranei.
Ma le Lancia peggiori di sempre, no comment. Forse che le Lancia Beta ritirate dal mercato inglese perché la ruggine faceva cadere per terra il motore erano migliori ?
@ms felix : oltre a citare forum e giornalisti (Clarkson spara a zero su tutto con molta ironia, Alfa inclusa, ma bisogna saper leggere tra le linee), l'hai guidata la 300 V6 benzina ? Ovviamente no. Io si'. La differenza é tutta li'.
In questo forum la stragrande maggioranza di chi resta non ha mai guidato la 300 né la 200 convertible. Ma per definizione sono le peggiori Lancia da sempre e sono degli orrori. Contenti voi... comunque o é quello o non c'é niente. Di soldi a Mirafiori non ne hanno per sviluppare modelli europei Lancia nuovi per un mercato il cui crollo é senza fine. E' triste, ma é cosi'.
D'ogni modo spero che a breve rimettano il marchio Chrysler su 300 e 200, cosi' miracolosamente le vendite schizzeranno su perché i fans delle auto americane torneranno a comprarle (15000 Chrysler 300C all'anno in Europa solo 6 anni fa...).

Io però continuo a non capire perchè mai un italiano appassionato di macchine americane non comperi una 300C se gli piace per il solo fatto di avere il marchio Lancia. Soprattutto se identifica una versione meglio rifinita. Vallì a capì sti mmericani!

Immagino che ... il cuore ha sempre ragione ... anche se razionalmente si tratta di un prodotto americano (tranne i diesel italiani), la soppressione del marchio é un affronto insopportabile...

Di queste 15000 chrysler il 99% erano SW... e cosa fanno?? La ripropongono solo berlina....

In Italia forse, ma a livello europeo era 50-50%. Qui in Francia per esempio la maggioranza erano berline.

Lasciamo perdere la Beta io ho avuto la HPE executive neanche il tappetto della ruota scambierei con una "Thema" altro che ruggine.......


Poi parlare di ruggine in casa Chrysler è come parlare di corda in casa dell'impiccato...

In February 2012, while working in Hershey, PA I purchased a 2012 Dodge Challenger SXT. I took delivery of the car on February 22, 2012, with 12 miles on the odometer. About 2 weeks later, while having some exhaust work done, the mechanic and I observed rust, yes I said RUST, forming and dveloping on what i consider CRITICAL suspension and sterring components, such as the struts, strut plates, control arm bushings and tierod ends.

Now I know some of you may be thinking, "well, you did take delivery of the car in February 2012, so maybe road salt got to those components." If we had a normal winter I wouldn't have argued, but I have been working in this area of PA since January 23, 2012, and there has been no adverse weather in this area that would have required the use of road salt, from that date, and/or the date when I took delivery of the car.







As I said I purchased the vehcile new. The Certificate of Origin, or MSO (Manufacturing Shipping Order) stated the vehicle was built on January 31st 2012, the delaer received it the first week of February 2012, so it only sat on the lot 2 weeks from when it arrived to when I purchased it, and the odometer before I signed owner ship papers stated 5 miles, and the salesman and I put 7 miles on test driving it.

Around the time of the discovery of the rusting components, Chrysler, LLC contacted me to perform a sales purchase follow up and get my opinion of the vehicle. I had discussed with the representative the rust problem and they opened a case about the concern/issue.

A CSR named Jessica from Chrysler was assigned my case, contacted me and we discussed the issue, she asked me to take the vehicle in to be looked at, and I did at Criswell Dodge in Gaithersburg, MD which is where I reside. Sean, the service manager was very helpful and was shocked to see the amount of rusting components and stated to me he has never see anything like this in his years working Service for Dodge. He snapped pictures of the vehicle and said he would follow up with me after he discussed the issue with Chrysler's vehicle engineer team.

Four days later Sean contacts me to let me know Chrysler is refusing to take care of the issue, even though the vehicle is NEW and under warranty. he said unless the parts fail they won't do anything about it. I don't know about you but rust is a sign of failure.

So thanking Sean for his time and effort i figured I would continue to deal with Jessica to get this issue resolved, however, I have left many messages without a return call, and it seems the case manager and the customer service reps want to ignore the problem.

What irkjs me about this situation is Chrylser took tax payer money to stay alive and was supposed to address quality issues and work to become a bigger and better company. However, how can you be a better company if you ignore you customers when they have an issue like a 1 month old vehicle driven every other week, starting to rust, and with 1007 miles on the odometer.

Having paid over $26,000 for this car you can imagine how furious I am they are choosing to ignore the issue and problem, and I know if you're like me and work hard for your money you would expect a new vehicle to remain new, and if this problem happened you would expect a fix immediately. $26,000 is nothing to sneeze at, not in this economy, so you expect to have a good quality product for that kind of money.

So I am enlisting you, the Change.Org folks to help to get Chrylser to fix this problem, or replace the car. and if you are unfortunate enough to own a chrylser that is rusting out within a month of it being built bought and owend you too should be standing up to be heard.

We helped Chrysler stay afloat, and this situation is a slap in the face for our billions of dollars we used to help keep them afloat.

So help me send a loud and clear signal. Short Cuts will not be tolerated and as a customer we expecdt quality, unlike this instance where in essence, they are ignoring a quality assurance issue.



Una sfortunata coincidenza? non proprio.. leggete la barzelletta delle 300c che fanno ruggine dopo il trasporto tramite treno...

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/2nd-ge ... paint.html

Per non parlare delle oltre 200.000 Jeep Liberty richiamate per problemi di ruggine http://farmingtonhills.legalexaminer.co ... eid=298922

E un velo pietoso sulla Chrysler Pacifica: http://www.cherylfox.com/ChryslerSucks/ ... Sucks.html

stevek60 Scritto:
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> Lasciamo perdere la Beta io ho avuto la HPE
> executive neanche il tappetto della ruota
> scambierei con una "Thema" altro che
> ruggine.......
>
>
> Poi parlare di ruggine in casa Chrysler è come
> parlare di corda in casa dell'impiccato...
>
> In February 2012, while working in Hershey, PA I
> purchased a 2012 Dodge Challenger SXT. I took
> delivery of the car on February 22, 2012, with 12
> miles on the odometer. About 2 weeks later, while
> having some exhaust work done, the mechanic and I
> observed rust, yes I said RUST, forming and
> dveloping on what i consider CRITICAL suspension
> and sterring components, such as the struts, strut
> plates, control arm bushings and tierod ends.
>
> Now I know some of you may be thinking, "well, you
> did take delivery of the car in February 2012, so
> maybe road salt got to those components." If we
> had a normal winter I wouldn't have argued, but I
> have been working in this area of PA since January
> 23, 2012, and there has been no adverse weather in
> this area that would have required the use of road
> salt, from that date, and/or the date when I took
> delivery of the car.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As I said I purchased the vehcile new. The
> Certificate of Origin, or MSO (Manufacturing
> Shipping Order) stated the vehicle was built on
> January 31st 2012, the delaer received it the
> first week of February 2012, so it only sat on the
> lot 2 weeks from when it arrived to when I
> purchased it, and the odometer before I signed
> owner ship papers stated 5 miles, and the salesman
> and I put 7 miles on test driving it.
>
> Around the time of the discovery of the rusting
> components, Chrysler, LLC contacted me to perform
> a sales purchase follow up and get my opinion of
> the vehicle. I had discussed with the
> representative the rust problem and they opened a
> case about the concern/issue.
>
> A CSR named Jessica from Chrysler was assigned my
> case, contacted me and we discussed the issue, she
> asked me to take the vehicle in to be looked at,
> and I did at Criswell Dodge in Gaithersburg, MD
> which is where I reside. Sean, the service manager
> was very helpful and was shocked to see the amount
> of rusting components and stated to me he has
> never see anything like this in his years working
> Service for Dodge. He snapped pictures of the
> vehicle and said he would follow up with me after
> he discussed the issue with Chrysler's vehicle
> engineer team.
>
> Four days later Sean contacts me to let me know
> Chrysler is refusing to take care of the issue,
> even though the vehicle is NEW and under warranty.
> he said unless the parts fail they won't do
> anything about it. I don't know about you but rust
> is a sign of failure.
>
> So thanking Sean for his time and effort i figured
> I would continue to deal with Jessica to get this
> issue resolved, however, I have left many messages
> without a return call, and it seems the case
> manager and the customer service reps want to
> ignore the problem.
>
> What irkjs me about this situation is Chrylser
> took tax payer money to stay alive and was
> supposed to address quality issues and work to
> become a bigger and better company. However, how
> can you be a better company if you ignore you
> customers when they have an issue like a 1 month
> old vehicle driven every other week, starting to
> rust, and with 1007 miles on the odometer.
>
> Having paid over $26,000 for this car you can
> imagine how furious I am they are choosing to
> ignore the issue and problem, and I know if you're
> like me and work hard for your money you would
> expect a new vehicle to remain new, and if this
> problem happened you would expect a fix
> immediately. $26,000 is nothing to sneeze at, not
> in this economy, so you expect to have a good
> quality product for that kind of money.
>
> So I am enlisting you, the Change.Org folks to
> help to get Chrylser to fix this problem, or
> replace the car. and if you are unfortunate enough
> to own a chrylser that is rusting out within a
> month of it being built bought and owend you too
> should be standing up to be heard.
>
> We helped Chrysler stay afloat, and this situation
> is a slap in the face for our billions of dollars
> we used to help keep them afloat.
>
> So help me send a loud and clear signal. Short
> Cuts will not be tolerated and as a customer we
> expecdt quality, unlike this instance where in
> essence, they are ignoring a quality assurance
> issue.
>
>
>
> Una sfortunata coincidenza? non proprio.. leggete
> la barzelletta delle 300c che fanno ruggine dopo
> il trasporto tramite treno...
>
> http://www.300cforums.com/forums/2nd-generation-ch
> rysler-300-discussion/107985-rust-paint.html
>
> Per non parlare delle oltre 200.000 Jeep Liberty
> richiamate per problemi di ruggine
> http://farmingtonhills.legalexaminer.com/automobil
> e-accidents/chrysler-recalls-jeep-liberty-suvs-for
> -rustprone-suspensions.aspx?googleid=298922
>
> E un velo pietoso sulla Chrysler Pacifica:
> http://www.cherylfox.com/ChryslerSucks/ChryslerSuc
> ks.html
Concordo con te Steve,ma vedrai che negheranno anche questa evidenza,lasciali giocare a chi l'ha visto a 2 anni e mezzo dal lancio e' un fantasma che vive in esemplari intestati a concessionari od autonoleggi,un privato che ne sia in possesso ancora non si e' mai sentito,lo stesso si puo' dire di Voyager e Flavia(boh...a Torino mai visti)Magari all'estero venderanno,ma mi chiedo all'Italia che benificio ne arrivi,qui'...Ribadisco,il tempo sara' decisivo basta aspettare.

Alcune considerazioni :

Tutte le auto oggetto dei commenti sui forum sono pre-gestione Fiat. Auto come la 300C o la Pacifica sono state sostituite nella gamma e le fabbriche sono state interamente ricostruite con le tecniche World Class Manufacturing.

Ancora si citano forum a iosa. Ma di esperienze personali reali di guida della 300/Thema non se ne trovano, si citano altri e si critica ferocemente. Ma provarla no eh ?

Visto che qui c'é ancora chi pensa che esprimo il punto di vista della Fiat... per me le chrysler dovrebbero restare chrysler anche in Italia. Chi comprava chrysler rifiuta di comprare Lancia perché vuole lo stemma chrysler sulla sua auto e sicuramente non Lancia (con buona pace di certi lancisti che considerano le chrysler auto buone per essere buttate giù dalla scogliera). Chi compra Lancia rifiuta di comprare auto che sono effettivamente molto lontane dal DNA Lancia. Bene, finiamola con i danni. Tornino le Chrysler 300, 200 e Voyager. Lancia si tiene Ypsilon (fino al 2017) e Delta (fino al 2015), poi diventerà una specie di Autobianchi con una o 2 cittadine soltanto nella gamma e per l'Europa soltanto. Soldi per fare di più non ci sono. Una Lancia "meticcia" si mi passate l'espressione non vi piace, sarà allora una Lancia moribonda ridotta alla Ypsilon. Amen, anzi mi viene da dire R.I.P.

Beh tu dici nessuno ha mai provato la 300C su strada,francamente non ho citato la cosa perche' oramai la mia posizione e' chiara,cmq nel 2002 ho guidato la berlina 300C di un cliente a cui avevo sostituito un cuscinetto (tra l'altro un macello per avere i ricambi)2 anni fa la familiare automatica (ibrido chrysler-mercedes)ad essere sincero la prima non feci un lungo tratto come con la seconda,boh per me un carro funebre,motore ok potente,cambio ben spaziato,rifiniture plasticaccia(migliorate su Thema ma non piu' di tanto)visuale terribile mi diede l'idea di essere schiacciato.Poi se a te piace ovviamente de-gustibus.A Torino vidi solo queste 2.Concordo con te che sarebbe dovuta rimanere Chrysler,non concordo sul fatto che sia una medicina di sopravvivenza (i danni di immagine si vedranno nel tempo)l'alternativa sarebbe stata un AD con vedute diverse,i disegnatori certo non ci mancano,soldi non ce ne sono daccordo ma tanto si produce in Serbia con incentivi locali,un nuovo modello poteva decollare di li' contenendo i costi,la verita' e' che a Fiat in Italia non ha piu' alcun interesse,le contraddizioni di Marchionne sono evidenti dal 2006,non ultima la menata che ha dichiarato nei giorni scorsi sull'assunzione di nuovo personale....:S