Hi Ed,
Thanks for the advice. It's all food for thought. Just wanted to make sure they weren't too impractical for the job I had in mind or that they didn't have any hidden pitfalls that had come to light over the years. As I said, been an Alfa owner I hadn't a lot of experience with Lancias in general. Just always loved the Fulvia Zagato. Gotta hand it to Zagato though, they've made some of the most beautiful cars on four wheels, and some of the most truly wierd...
Thanks again,
Chris
All alloy Fulvia Zagato
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Chris
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
Thanks Jay,
That's good advice. There's a couple of cars for sale here, one a 1.3 and one a 1.6, so I'll try and check them both out over the next week or so. Interesting what you say about the later cars. Like the sound of the Zagato club. I'll keep you posted how I get on,
Thanks again,
Chris
That's good advice. There's a couple of cars for sale here, one a 1.3 and one a 1.6, so I'll try and check them both out over the next week or so. Interesting what you say about the later cars. Like the sound of the Zagato club. I'll keep you posted how I get on,
Thanks again,
Chris
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Ed Levin
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
Chris,
I'll only add one final thought. If you've always loved the Fulvia Zagato, and you're inspired by _Zagato Fulvia Sport Competizione_, you should just go after the first good S1 alloy Zagato you find.
I have to confess that your initial description of your proposed use colored my earlier comments. I have a Fanalone, which I bought for the same reason that you're considering the alloy Zagato; I've always loved them. My car has alloy doors and lids, and no bumpers. It's not quite a daily driver (as I work at home, I have no commute), but it gets out a couple times a week, on everything from LA city streets to Mulholland Drive. Practicality only dictates that I don't take it anywhere it can't be parked safely (damn SUVs).
If you're not intending to beat it up in serious competition driving, you're looking at a fundamentally reliable car with any good Fulvia. So just avoid a badly-maintained car and go with your heart.
I'll only add one final thought. If you've always loved the Fulvia Zagato, and you're inspired by _Zagato Fulvia Sport Competizione_, you should just go after the first good S1 alloy Zagato you find.
I have to confess that your initial description of your proposed use colored my earlier comments. I have a Fanalone, which I bought for the same reason that you're considering the alloy Zagato; I've always loved them. My car has alloy doors and lids, and no bumpers. It's not quite a daily driver (as I work at home, I have no commute), but it gets out a couple times a week, on everything from LA city streets to Mulholland Drive. Practicality only dictates that I don't take it anywhere it can't be parked safely (damn SUVs).
If you're not intending to beat it up in serious competition driving, you're looking at a fundamentally reliable car with any good Fulvia. So just avoid a badly-maintained car and go with your heart.
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Huib
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
I agree with Ed.
If it is a '66 it is a 1216cc. Pretty quick car. If engine, gearbox, steering and brakes perform as they should it is probably faster on the country roads than a 1.3, even without beating it up.
If it is a '66 it is a 1216cc. Pretty quick car. If engine, gearbox, steering and brakes perform as they should it is probably faster on the country roads than a 1.3, even without beating it up.
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Chris
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
OK, now I'm confused...
Been lining up some Zagatos to have a look at and thought I'd got my head around the series changes. However, there's a 66 advertised but it has the larger front indicators and rear wrap-around style lights but according to the chasis number given to me by the owner, it falls into the first batch of alloy cars with 1200 engines (yet it has a 1300 engine and five speed gearbox?). Another is a '68, with larger lights but the bonnet opens to the front like the later steel model shape.
Don't want to travel a long way to see cars that are not what they are supposed to be ie a steel car advertised as alloy, or is there some kind of model cross-over between the early series cars and the later body styles?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Chris
Been lining up some Zagatos to have a look at and thought I'd got my head around the series changes. However, there's a 66 advertised but it has the larger front indicators and rear wrap-around style lights but according to the chasis number given to me by the owner, it falls into the first batch of alloy cars with 1200 engines (yet it has a 1300 engine and five speed gearbox?). Another is a '68, with larger lights but the bonnet opens to the front like the later steel model shape.
Don't want to travel a long way to see cars that are not what they are supposed to be ie a steel car advertised as alloy, or is there some kind of model cross-over between the early series cars and the later body styles?
Any thoughts appreciated.
Chris
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Ed Levin
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
Chris,
A couple of thoughts:
To really determine what you're looking at, you'll need to check both the chassis number and the engine block number.
The chassis numbers for S1 Fulvia Sport would be:
1.2 (alloy): 818.132 (or 133)
1.3: 818.332 (or 333)
1.3S: 818.362 (or 363)
If the chassis number is correct, and the body's aluminum, then the only question is whether or not the running gear is original. S1 engines would be:
1.2: 818.130 or 818.202
1.3: 818. 302
1.3S: 818.303
(The 818.303 engine carried over to the S2 1.3S cars, but with a 5-speed rather than a 4-speed.)
Unless I'm mistaken, an S1 all-alloy car should have a chassis number 818.132(or 133).1001 to 1202, and an engine type 818.130 or 818.202. Checking the body panels (particularly the wings/fenders and the roof) with a strong magnet might also be a useful exercise--chassis plates can be faked, but it's harder to fool a magnet (a strong one will ensure that the paint isn't interfering).
If the '66 has a1.3 and 5-speed, at the very least these must have had these transplanted from an S2. If the bumpers have rubber facings (and/or a magnet stocks to the roof), this is an S2 car, and not a '66 S1 at all.
I don't know of any model cross-overs (other than the fact that the 818.302 engine carried over between S1 and S2, and even then the gearbox is the giveaway). Anything else is almost certainly a later transplant by an owner in search of more displacement or more gears. If a particular car is confusing you, it may be that the car itself is confused...
Good luck.
A couple of thoughts:
To really determine what you're looking at, you'll need to check both the chassis number and the engine block number.
The chassis numbers for S1 Fulvia Sport would be:
1.2 (alloy): 818.132 (or 133)
1.3: 818.332 (or 333)
1.3S: 818.362 (or 363)
If the chassis number is correct, and the body's aluminum, then the only question is whether or not the running gear is original. S1 engines would be:
1.2: 818.130 or 818.202
1.3: 818. 302
1.3S: 818.303
(The 818.303 engine carried over to the S2 1.3S cars, but with a 5-speed rather than a 4-speed.)
Unless I'm mistaken, an S1 all-alloy car should have a chassis number 818.132(or 133).1001 to 1202, and an engine type 818.130 or 818.202. Checking the body panels (particularly the wings/fenders and the roof) with a strong magnet might also be a useful exercise--chassis plates can be faked, but it's harder to fool a magnet (a strong one will ensure that the paint isn't interfering).
If the '66 has a1.3 and 5-speed, at the very least these must have had these transplanted from an S2. If the bumpers have rubber facings (and/or a magnet stocks to the roof), this is an S2 car, and not a '66 S1 at all.
I don't know of any model cross-overs (other than the fact that the 818.302 engine carried over between S1 and S2, and even then the gearbox is the giveaway). Anything else is almost certainly a later transplant by an owner in search of more displacement or more gears. If a particular car is confusing you, it may be that the car itself is confused...
Good luck.
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Ed Levin
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
sorry for all the typos on my last message (in the last paragraph, it should read "the 818.303 engine that carried over between S1 and S2").
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Jorn
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
Apparently there are some cross-over series 1 cars from 1200 ccm to the first 1300 ccm model. I know of an all aluminium Sport Rallye 1,3 1st series overhere in the Netherlands.
Regards,
Jorn
Regards,
Jorn
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Ed Levin
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
Jorn wrote:
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> Apparently there are some cross-over series 1 cars from
> 1200 ccm to the first 1300 ccm model. I know of an all
> aluminium Sport Rallye 1,3 1st series overhere in the
> Netherlands.
Interesting; are you sure it was originally that way? In any case, it certainly wasn't a 1.3S with a 5-speed.
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> Apparently there are some cross-over series 1 cars from
> 1200 ccm to the first 1300 ccm model. I know of an all
> aluminium Sport Rallye 1,3 1st series overhere in the
> Netherlands.
Interesting; are you sure it was originally that way? In any case, it certainly wasn't a 1.3S with a 5-speed.
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Randy Adams
Re: All alloy Fulvia Zagato
According to Wim Weernink's excellent "La Lancia" the switch-over from alloy to steel occurred during the 1.3 model run, commencing with 818.332/333-1912. The alloy body is not the exclusive preserve of the 1.2 cars.
But no, the alloy cars never had a five speed.