Thanks Huib,
I think it is time I try to find a workshop manual in english. You have several CD's but I'm not sure which one will be of help as my German and Italian is not good. I already have the small red book, but this is not very detailed.
What do you suggest?
Steering box
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bart
Re: Steering box
The 1C and 1.6 boxes are different.
But are 1C and 1.6 the same? How interesting.
Bart
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Huib
Re: Steering box
The 1C box is I think a Flavia steering box which needs more revolutions of the wheel to turn a corner.
The 1600 boxes need less.
The 1600 boxes need less.
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Huib
Re: Steering box
The very extensive S2/3 workshop manual is only in Italian. It is on the CD's S2_2 as well as on S2_4.
If you can't read italian at all, you have to do with the S1 workshop manual in english and the Concise Workshop manual (the red book, you already have).
I understand you also have an S1 car.
I would suggest:
S1_1. This has the S1 parts book with exploded views and the Data Tecnici for all Fulvia's. I use the Data Tecnici daily.
S1_3. This has the S1 workshop manual in English and the Dunlop brake manual. It also has the AST sheets covering all Fulvia's. These are service letters sent out by the factory and are only in Italian. Nevertheless very much recommended for all Fulvia owners as they list usefull modifications.
S2_1. this had the S2 parts book with the exploded views. The nice thing is that for all parts it is also listed in what model the part was used first and thus very usefull for checking if the part is identical for S1 and S2/3
Unfortunately there is no usefull data in any of the documentation on overhauling the gearboxes. The Gemmer steering boxes were used on may cars. I believe Ford also used them. If anyone knows about a book on overhauling these gearboxes I would be very happy to know.
If you can't read italian at all, you have to do with the S1 workshop manual in english and the Concise Workshop manual (the red book, you already have).
I understand you also have an S1 car.
I would suggest:
S1_1. This has the S1 parts book with exploded views and the Data Tecnici for all Fulvia's. I use the Data Tecnici daily.
S1_3. This has the S1 workshop manual in English and the Dunlop brake manual. It also has the AST sheets covering all Fulvia's. These are service letters sent out by the factory and are only in Italian. Nevertheless very much recommended for all Fulvia owners as they list usefull modifications.
S2_1. this had the S2 parts book with the exploded views. The nice thing is that for all parts it is also listed in what model the part was used first and thus very usefull for checking if the part is identical for S1 and S2/3
Unfortunately there is no usefull data in any of the documentation on overhauling the gearboxes. The Gemmer steering boxes were used on may cars. I believe Ford also used them. If anyone knows about a book on overhauling these gearboxes I would be very happy to know.
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Phil
Re: Steering box
What is the difference between the S1 workshop manual and the concise workshop manual?
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Huib
Re: Steering box
The concise workshop manual is the thin red book with very limited data on the S2. Mostly it is about what is different from the S1.
The S1 workshop manual has many more pages and is rather complete except that it has virtually nothing about a serious overhaul of the steering box.
The S1 workshop manual has many more pages and is rather complete except that it has virtually nothing about a serious overhaul of the steering box.
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william
Re: Steering box
Fulvia 1C needs over 4,5 turns lock to lock and the 1600 box about 3,75.
A modification widely used in competition, then and now, is to fit Flavia droparms to Fulvia steeringboxes. The Flavia arms are about 1cm longer and give a more direct steering. Something like less than 4 revolutions lock to lock. Does not seem much but it is a modification wich you really appreciate. Fitting the same Flavia arms on a 1600 box drops the ratio even more but steering forces will be high.
A modification widely used in competition, then and now, is to fit Flavia droparms to Fulvia steeringboxes. The Flavia arms are about 1cm longer and give a more direct steering. Something like less than 4 revolutions lock to lock. Does not seem much but it is a modification wich you really appreciate. Fitting the same Flavia arms on a 1600 box drops the ratio even more but steering forces will be high.
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P. de R. Leclercq
Re: Steering box
The 1600 steering box (marked LA 9) requires 3.2 turns lock to lock, whilst the 1300 version (LA 10) requires 4.2 turns).
The Flavia (or 2000) arms would indeed make the steering very heavy with a 1600 stering box..
Paul
The Flavia (or 2000) arms would indeed make the steering very heavy with a 1600 stering box..
Paul
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Frans Weersing
Re: Steering box
I found some info at this site:
http://www.sdvsa.org/ThisAndThatSteerin ... ession.htm and http://www.sdvsa.org/ThisAndThat120_180 ... ebuild.htm
It seems that de Volvo P1800 had the same steering box as our Lacia fulvias
Greetz
Frans Weersing
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Christopher Adams
Re: Steering box
There is a difference between the arms on the output shafts of a series 1 and series 2 steering box. The connection points on the series 1 arm are closer together making nylock nuts hard to fit (but working fine with catellated nuts), I imagine too that it is absolutely critical that the arm on the steering box and idler box are matched. Luckily if you are swapping steering boxes you can remove the arm and swap that across as the main shafts are the same size with the same keyed spline.