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Another excellent case made for Dunlop, Huib.

On the point of braking distances I suppose it's worth bearing in mind that the S2 cars were heavier and had wider tyres. Now depending on the road surface (was it identical?) and the conditions (?) in theory, a narrower tyre would provide more specific contact-patch pressure on the road and perhaps it would brake more effectively. After all, snow tyres are narrower than those fitted for dry roads.

And you are absolutely right about the handbrake cable; even better, one does not have to buy a specific Fulvia cable.

On my car I still use the original outers - cleaned and greased of course, and if I remember correctly, the inner is from a FIAT Ducato van - or possibly a Lancia Thema - I cannot remember which!

Mind you the handbrake only ever works for about two weeks - and even then it's not much good. If I need a handbrake I tighten the screws, otherwise I have basically given up on it, in ten years it has never worked properly and has been dismantled numerous times, cleaned lubricated adjusted and so on.

I have worked on other Fulvias of course and have had no problem. The reason I suppose is because I had my rear discs reduced in thickness to 9mm à la Fanalone; perhaps the Fanalone caliper was different although it certainly looks the same.

The correct solution is a Citroën-type handbrake. This has the "pincers" like Dunlop, but has been properly engineered so that the distance between the pivot points can also be adjusted ensuring that the pads are more or less parallel to the disc surface.

Paul

I would not want to fit any other axle than a Fanalone but I think these would be rather hard to find to say the least and I was hoping in worst case scenario that modification to a s1 axles could a possible solution but my best option would be to fix my current axle.

I have been told by what I can only describe as a master mechanic (he's 81 years old and sometimes works in the garage of another friend of mine as a sort of advsior\ocassional helper and has had many a Lancia himself - its all very friendly here and his love of pre Angelli Lancia is worthy of any Lanciasti - in fact I keep reminding him Fanalona was the very last Lancia Lancia to be made)

Anyway, I degress, he tells me that here used to be a workshop here in Salerno, Italy that used to do this kind of work but has been closed for the last 15 years. Its been a long time since he was a working mechanic. But I have someone who is going to find another workshop that can carry out the work. But he assures me that the axle can be fixed but might be a big job.

To answer your question Paul, my mother is from Salerno but I an from London. I often come to visit the relatives here and now thanks to Easyjet can do so much more often. I'm very lucky to be here as there seem to be workshops tucked away in small hidden corners that seem like a throwback to a more romantic time that carry out all sort of prepartation work to cars and their love of cars - and Fanalona is second to none in the world.

So, I will wait for the right solution to come about and with the advise from this forum I will come to the right solution and keep my place as close to Vincenzo as I can. I will keep this site posted as to what I do with the the axle and I have no intention of fitting a s2 HF axle either but just wanted to know if it was advisable to do so.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me so its really wonderful to see that this forum is very much alive and active. I wish to thank Huib and Paul who are just beyond words - I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks so highly of you guys.

Mortuza

Good Mortuza.
We are proud of you.

If your mixed ancestry gave you the nose of Sherlock Holmes and the understanding of Italian and south Italians and if you like a good hunt, let me know when you and Fanalona are ready.

In the early days if viva-lancia.com I received a rather cryptic email in Italian. I did not delete it. Months later I accidentally opened it again with another, newly installed email program. The email was suddenly different. The letters were in all the colours ever used for any Fulvia which my earlier email program was not able to display correctly.

My conclusion finally was that it came from someone in your area and that he owned all the models of Fulvia coupe ever made in all the colours they were ever made.

I never got a reaction to my emails.

Let me know.

Your man will be able to dig up someone from the company that closed down or whatever and the right person too. People for whom there is no difference between enjoying work and doing an excellent job usually live very long.

And share with us all the stories these old professionals tell you. We may think that our Lancia's are gems but in fact these people are the true jewels.

Here is the table. I only listed the values for the stopping distance from a speed of 100 km/h

ModelPedal force
kgDistance
mBrake systemberlina 1C3667Dunlop, no servoberlina 2C - GT4659Dunlop, no servoGTE3060Dunlop, servo on front wheelsberlina series 1,51655Dunlop with S2 type master cilinder and servo on front and rearberlina S2, coupe 1.3S S2, Sport 1.3S S22868Girling, servo on front and rearcoupe 1.2, rallye 1.3, rallye 1.3S, sport 1.3, rallye 1.3HF3260,5Dunlop, no servosport 1.23657Dunlop, no servorallye 1.3S S12555Dunlop, servo on front wheels1.6HF S13351Dunlop, no servosport 1.23657Dunlop, no servoS2 1600HF2867,5Girling with servo on front and rear

Interesting is that the series 1,5 berlina with the Dunlop callipers and S2 mastercilinder and servo has the best braking performance by far.

I assume that people who did the tests knew what they were doing like on standard surface, level, no wind etc etc. I accept the values with of course the normal mathematical tolerances but without "falsifications"

The discussion in tire size / width goes nowhere as the berlina's all have the same tire size.

When cars are imported into Holland they have to go through a rather strict test done by the Ministery of Transportation. Their equipment is state of the art and in order including the brake tester.
When I have an S1 Fulvia tested they always and I mean at all times, no exceptions, say "This car brakes better than most modern cars"
When I have an S2 Fulvia tested, there is no remark. The car just passes the test.


You are right. The thinner discs of the Fanalone are a problem for the handbrake. Inserting (wedge shaped?) spacers between handbrake pads and pincher?

Here here

I couldn't agree with you more!

I will be seeing Alfredo tomorrow and I'll see what I can dig up

ttfn
M

ps a return via Holland would't be too difficult so hopefully soon

Easy Jet lands at Eindhoven which is just half an hour away by Fulvia.

I just looked at the map of Italy. The cryptic person is much much closer to Salerno than I thought.

BTW, isn't it hear hear instead of here here? Well in this case probably both!

Hi Joe here,
I would appreciate if you could send me your direct email so i can communicate. I too have a Fanalone and a Napolitan mother(Benevento), but live in Australia.

I have been following your saga with great interest along with Huib, Paul and all the rest of the Lancisti.


Kind Regards,
Joe

I may be able to supply a Fanalone rear axle assembly. I live in Australia, so freight costs may be an issue.
Contact me on tonykov@hotmail.com if you are interested.

Mortuza,

Thanks for your kind words.

I asked because I could have put you in touch with someone who has an S1 axle; however if it must be a Fanalone one, then I probably cannot help.

Paul

Ciao

It's odd cos I have an uncle Joe in Melbourne, you wouldn't happen to be him ! That would indeed be strange. By the way it was your saint name day last week so 'Augure' to you

My email is moses967@yahoo.co.uk I'd be glad to hear from anyone who has a Fanalone as well.

cheers