Fulvietta pics
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Randy Adams
Re: Fulvietta pics
Allow me to correct myself a bit. The Beta coupe is THE best 1970s coupe design with the possible exception of the wonderful Gamma we unlucky Americans never had a chance to buy. One of my favorite things to do is to get into another car and drive by the Beta coupe. At that level--the level of other car occupants--the Beta is totally stunning. Castagnero followed up the wonderful Fulvia with that design. Why not follow up Lancia's glorious old coupes with something new that is as brilliant? Why aim so low as an imitation?
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Alain
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What a severe point of view you have ! You seem to forget Vincezo Lancia's car's design is based on soft, classy, discrete and fluid lines. Today's car design is totaly away of these rules. All contemporary sport's cars look like flashy bad boy's car. This "New Fulvia" respects totaly Lancia's identity, and I cannot compare its visible roots to a revival of an old 60's car succes like they did with a Prowler, the future Mustang, the BMW Z8, etc.
I think Lancia went on a bad direction with the Kappa Coupe (awefull!) and even the Gamma Coupe (far too flashy, sorry), so it's a bit logical to come back to coherent roots, like, as you say Beta, or even Fulvia.
This is my style point of view.
Now, it would be a pity if the car was just a Fiat Barchetta whith a new body, even if the Barchetta is an excellent car (it is). The Pics I saw where far different from this drawing which show a verry small car. The photographs I saw looked more as a big car reduced to a coupe. Wait and see... Even Lancia's name as a car producer is in danger due to today's big Fiat's crisis. So, if the new Fulvia comes out, it would be a miracle !
Bye
I think Lancia went on a bad direction with the Kappa Coupe (awefull!) and even the Gamma Coupe (far too flashy, sorry), so it's a bit logical to come back to coherent roots, like, as you say Beta, or even Fulvia.
This is my style point of view.
Now, it would be a pity if the car was just a Fiat Barchetta whith a new body, even if the Barchetta is an excellent car (it is). The Pics I saw where far different from this drawing which show a verry small car. The photographs I saw looked more as a big car reduced to a coupe. Wait and see... Even Lancia's name as a car producer is in danger due to today's big Fiat's crisis. So, if the new Fulvia comes out, it would be a miracle !
Bye
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Alex Somers
Re: Fulvietta pics
check out www.italiaspeed.com or www.fulvia.nl for more news on this upcoming new jewel in the Lancia crown
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Randy Adams
Re: Fulvietta pics
Vincenzo Lancia died before soft fluid lines were adopted by Lancias. The Aprilia and Ardea are the only curved Lancias from his era and I question whether anybody would describe them as soft or fluid.
It's interesting that you consider the Gamma coupe too flashy. Line it up with the Aurelia coupe, the Flaminia coupes (PF and Touring), the Flavia coupe and the Fulvia. It fits into the tradition wonderfully well. As for flashy Lancias, the wonderful Zagato tradition offered nothing else. Lancia offered sober sedans and quite pretty and often flashy coupes.
The Fulvietta drawing looks pretty slavishly based upon the original Fulvia. I'd rather see something honestly new. The Fulvietta isn't. And, lord, if it's going to use a GM engine, forget it. An Italian car that does not have an Italian engine simply is not much of an Italian car.
It's interesting that you consider the Gamma coupe too flashy. Line it up with the Aurelia coupe, the Flaminia coupes (PF and Touring), the Flavia coupe and the Fulvia. It fits into the tradition wonderfully well. As for flashy Lancias, the wonderful Zagato tradition offered nothing else. Lancia offered sober sedans and quite pretty and often flashy coupes.
The Fulvietta drawing looks pretty slavishly based upon the original Fulvia. I'd rather see something honestly new. The Fulvietta isn't. And, lord, if it's going to use a GM engine, forget it. An Italian car that does not have an Italian engine simply is not much of an Italian car.
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Tom Spencer
Re: Fulvietta pics
I won't bore you with what I have, but I am thoroughly familiar with past and present Lancia and Alfa automobiles. I sincerely believe that the current drop in European, especially Italian, market share by both marques is directly attributable to the wonderful cars coming out of Japan at this time.
Having said that, the Fulvietta or even some of the present platforms like the Lybra, the 166, the GTV, the spider and especially your version of the Fulvietta would be "hot" in the US Market. Lancia and Alfa long ago put rust behind them by adopting rust proofing methodology learned in the partnership with Saab on the 9000.
Please try to help get the current Fiat/Lancia/Alfa management to understand that there are lots of people like me in the US that are sick and tired of trying to patch together used up automobiles that we love. Please send us some new iron. We'll take your "excess" production from Europe and help you recover financially while you develop new platforms.
STOP WAITING!!!! Parts and dealers aren't even an issue any more. The internet and the japanese, with their adoption and refinement of FWD, DOHC I-4 engines, EFI, struts, etc., have made it easy to get these cars worked on. Also, my experience with recent car rentals in Italy, and my own experience with a 164 that is now completely used up, suggest that the current cars are as reliable as US models anyway.
-The French invented automobiles
-Henry Ford made them for the masses and hooked everybody
-The Germans made them fast and reliable
-BUT THE ITALIANS TAUGHT THEM TO DANCE AND SING !!!
Send us some besides Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati and antiques.... we want Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa back!
Having said that, the Fulvietta or even some of the present platforms like the Lybra, the 166, the GTV, the spider and especially your version of the Fulvietta would be "hot" in the US Market. Lancia and Alfa long ago put rust behind them by adopting rust proofing methodology learned in the partnership with Saab on the 9000.
Please try to help get the current Fiat/Lancia/Alfa management to understand that there are lots of people like me in the US that are sick and tired of trying to patch together used up automobiles that we love. Please send us some new iron. We'll take your "excess" production from Europe and help you recover financially while you develop new platforms.
STOP WAITING!!!! Parts and dealers aren't even an issue any more. The internet and the japanese, with their adoption and refinement of FWD, DOHC I-4 engines, EFI, struts, etc., have made it easy to get these cars worked on. Also, my experience with recent car rentals in Italy, and my own experience with a 164 that is now completely used up, suggest that the current cars are as reliable as US models anyway.
-The French invented automobiles
-Henry Ford made them for the masses and hooked everybody
-The Germans made them fast and reliable
-BUT THE ITALIANS TAUGHT THEM TO DANCE AND SING !!!
Send us some besides Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati and antiques.... we want Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa back!
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Randy Adams
Re: Fulvietta pics
I can second this sentiment. But, please, with Italian motors. That's what they sing with.
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Ryan
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Japanese making wonderful cars? Where?
Japanese cars in my experience are well-built American cars...
Japanese cars in my experience are well-built American cars...
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Pieter Bergman
Re: Fulvietta pics
Hi Alex,
Are you a Dutchman?
As I used to know somebody in Holland with that name.
Pieter Bergman
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Jesus Echevarria
Re: Fulvietta pics
Hey Randy, I can understand you being a little patriotic, but there's no need to slag off the "terminally nostalgic" Brits. Perhaps they are nostalgic because they've got a history to be nostalgic about, and let's face it, if you'd lost an Empire their size, you'd drift off into nostalgia too! I hasten to add that I say this as a Spaniard that was born in England, married to an English girl and working in that most nostalgic of British places, a "public school". I, for one, welcome the Fulvietta design, and if that makes me terminally nostalgic, so be it! There are worse things you can die of!
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Jean de Barsy
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Hello Randy,
I can follow your arguments up to a certain point... but be happy the Gamma never made it to America (it's engine exploded before it could reach the boat) and the Beta as well as the Fulvietta... they're not real Lancia's anyway and they'll never be. Lancia closed shop in the late 60's. End of story, all models after that are camouflaged Fiats wearing a cheap plastic Lancia badge. I'm also fed up with all that rubbish from the past. Worst example is Bentley at Le Mans.... It's a bloody Audi with another body, painted "British Racing Green" with a stupid Union Jack on it.... (Mr. Bentley would have loved the idea I'm sure) and Rolls Royce... even worse. Will the Spirit of Ecstasy wear a German pointed helmet also or is the board computer yelling German orders like "KRAFSTOFF SCHNELL"... Readers should not look after racist idea's, but I hate that badge engineering policy. In no time we'll have Ferrari underwear, a Maserati coffee machine or BMW high tech paperclips to show off in the office. All the great marques are related to persons who built the fame from scratch by concrete gestures... now all is left are freshly hatched marketing raptors beating money out of it in all possible stupid ways. My interest in modern cars ran out of gas... it's a necessary tool, that's all.
I can follow your arguments up to a certain point... but be happy the Gamma never made it to America (it's engine exploded before it could reach the boat) and the Beta as well as the Fulvietta... they're not real Lancia's anyway and they'll never be. Lancia closed shop in the late 60's. End of story, all models after that are camouflaged Fiats wearing a cheap plastic Lancia badge. I'm also fed up with all that rubbish from the past. Worst example is Bentley at Le Mans.... It's a bloody Audi with another body, painted "British Racing Green" with a stupid Union Jack on it.... (Mr. Bentley would have loved the idea I'm sure) and Rolls Royce... even worse. Will the Spirit of Ecstasy wear a German pointed helmet also or is the board computer yelling German orders like "KRAFSTOFF SCHNELL"... Readers should not look after racist idea's, but I hate that badge engineering policy. In no time we'll have Ferrari underwear, a Maserati coffee machine or BMW high tech paperclips to show off in the office. All the great marques are related to persons who built the fame from scratch by concrete gestures... now all is left are freshly hatched marketing raptors beating money out of it in all possible stupid ways. My interest in modern cars ran out of gas... it's a necessary tool, that's all.