Well, maybe that is the point. Part of the people do things on their own, the other part waits for directives from above. Rather than unite in one great dynamic force to beat the competition world wide. Everybody goes off in different directions thus sabotage colleagues or does not do anything creative and absorps energy rather than contributes.
We already agreed that with the names they have they hold the treasure chest. Growth and succes should have come automatically. If it did not, there can be no other reason than internal sabotage instead of concerted effort. Cells compete to become the biggest tumor and finally kill their host rather than contribute form a healthy body that radiates confidence and grows automatically.
There are plenty of good people. I have the pleasure of knowing a few and admire them for keeping up their heads. Who will become the top guy or girl, who starts the wave of confidence and succes?
Lancia is dead
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Huib Geurink
Re: visit the site?
Right. After all, companies do not exist. People do. Companies are groups of humans. I have never heard of any companies existing in heaven. Behaving like normal people rather than like god is a good step in the right direction.
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Ryan
Re: Culture
Hi Huib. On the other hand, where we've seen societies "unite in one
great dynamic force to beat the competition world wide" its usually been
with grave consequence. Sometimes for a society to do this it must
become almost nationalistic to the extreme. There are some countries
who indeed have this 'feeling', but what it does to the society is maybe
worse than whatever benefit might come from it.
However, getting some of this, 'come on lets get up and go!' is also
good. Just requires a careful balance.
Ryan
great dynamic force to beat the competition world wide" its usually been
with grave consequence. Sometimes for a society to do this it must
become almost nationalistic to the extreme. There are some countries
who indeed have this 'feeling', but what it does to the society is maybe
worse than whatever benefit might come from it.
However, getting some of this, 'come on lets get up and go!' is also
good. Just requires a careful balance.
Ryan
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Huib Geurink
Re: Culture
The beauty in the world of companies versus the world of countries is that the very instincts shaped by millions of years and thousands of wars can be satisfied without harming anybody. War and peace have have become a game to play for bread. The old bread and games.
Sure, some loose perpective. The world is not perfect. In general the trend is postive I would say. Both in companies, governments and armies women become more and more visible. Less reasons to worry thus. At least I don't worry about countries which have women in the army. I worry about countries where only men are visible.I don't know about societies were only women are visible.
Sure, some loose perpective. The world is not perfect. In general the trend is postive I would say. Both in companies, governments and armies women become more and more visible. Less reasons to worry thus. At least I don't worry about countries which have women in the army. I worry about countries where only men are visible.I don't know about societies were only women are visible.
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Randy Adams
Re: collection
I really do not mind seeing "Lancia" as it is now known going away. "Lancia" is viewed by Fiat as a brand. GM is the original creator of this mentality, so its takeover will only make this worse.
Lancia WAS a breed. And it is the cars of that breed that always thrilled me and still excite me today. These are cars that are beautiful on the outside and just as beautiful on the inside. These are cars that were developed virtually from scratch with each new model, instead of representing nothing but a new permutation of components from a pool of parts.
If Lancia goes away, people will remember it as a breed. That's how I like to remember it. For me, Lancia has already been dead for a long time.
Lancia WAS a breed. And it is the cars of that breed that always thrilled me and still excite me today. These are cars that are beautiful on the outside and just as beautiful on the inside. These are cars that were developed virtually from scratch with each new model, instead of representing nothing but a new permutation of components from a pool of parts.
If Lancia goes away, people will remember it as a breed. That's how I like to remember it. For me, Lancia has already been dead for a long time.
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Randy Adams
Re: collection
For me, Lancia faded. The fade began when Lancia started using engines designed by other people--something they had never had to do before. But at least the Beta models were still unique to Lancia and the coupe's body was even designed by the same person responsible for the Fulvia coupe. The fade intensified when Lancias became mildly facelifted platforms shared with Fiat. By the time of the Thema, the death of Lancia was fait accompli.
The Thema, Dedra and, yes, even Delta may be great cars but they are not Lancias. They are the upmarket products of Fiat. Compared to the products of the old independent company, they are conventional. Lancia was never conventional.
The Thema, Dedra and, yes, even Delta may be great cars but they are not Lancias. They are the upmarket products of Fiat. Compared to the products of the old independent company, they are conventional. Lancia was never conventional.
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Ryan
Re: collection
I'll quickly say that even though it can be said the Delta was not a real
Lancia, but it was definitely NOT conventional. The Delta Integrale
(not to mention the Delta S4) started an era.. and that car will never be
fully duplicated.
Ryan
Lancia, but it was definitely NOT conventional. The Delta Integrale
(not to mention the Delta S4) started an era.. and that car will never be
fully duplicated.
Ryan
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Peter
Re: Culture - it will come back
Yes clouds are gray over our Lancia, but I have no doubts that they will bounce back at some stage.
I have wished for a long time that FIAT sells Lancia, to anyone, please.
Lancia name holds so much of the history and I know that there are many, many companies in the world that would see so much financial sense in obtaining Lancia badge in their portfolio.
Dear Lancia fans, sale of Lancia to someone else would be rebirth. Independence from FIAT will mean that they can start making cars like before 1968, FIAT would not like that very much, they would loose a lot of market in Italy and in Europe.
Just imagine would Lancia heritage mean to some Asian carmaker, there would be some interested German makers to add some real italian flair to their portfolio.
Just a taught from Lancia owner (can't you tell that)
P.S.
Any interested auto industry executives, I would be glad to make you report and business issue paper/proposal. We need Aurelia and Flavia cars back.
Peter
I have wished for a long time that FIAT sells Lancia, to anyone, please.
Lancia name holds so much of the history and I know that there are many, many companies in the world that would see so much financial sense in obtaining Lancia badge in their portfolio.
Dear Lancia fans, sale of Lancia to someone else would be rebirth. Independence from FIAT will mean that they can start making cars like before 1968, FIAT would not like that very much, they would loose a lot of market in Italy and in Europe.
Just imagine would Lancia heritage mean to some Asian carmaker, there would be some interested German makers to add some real italian flair to their portfolio.
Just a taught from Lancia owner (can't you tell that)
P.S.
Any interested auto industry executives, I would be glad to make you report and business issue paper/proposal. We need Aurelia and Flavia cars back.
Peter